Mar 23, 2006

Harf

EL nahrda.. actually mn 3 hours bs... et7'n2et 7'na2a kbera m3 el project manager w el projects manager fe 7arf... bgd bgd... 7arf mn aswa2 el sharekat.. w have the worst managment ever... worst project manager ever.. worst management hirarichal ... and worst appericiation to develpoers ever... daraget el baga7a weslet en they accept project mn clients... yb2a el nahrda el talat msln.. el client y2olohm ana 3awez el project demo da yom el sabt.. w y2ololo 7ader... by7'alo el developers ysht3'lo gom3a w sabt w ysharo.. b2alhom 3 weeks keda.. w b3d ma y7'lso.. el cleint my3gbosh el sho3'll... y3mloh tany fel week elly b3do nfs el system.. bgd 7aga araf.. tafker el managment 3ndna fel sherka.. en ed3'at 3ala elly t7tak 3lshan ytla3 aktar.. w en el project manager.. lazem el developers my7bhosh.. fa de 7aga 3adeya.. 22lko 3ala el mawakef elly tnrfez 3lshan t2dro ana mtnrfez ad a mnhom... koloko 3arfen tb3anel MDC.. w enha 3 days.. lama oltlhom fel sherka en ana 3awez aro7 el MDC w enha 3 days.. aloly mafeh mshakel.. bs lw hatro7 el 3 days dool w mtgesh el sherka.. tegy el 3 days elly b3d el MDC.. de3f el yoom el 3ady.. ya3ny t3od fel 3 days elly b3d el MDC 16 hrs 3lshan t3wad el ayam elly mgtshy feha!!!!!.... bel zemma da msh oslob ynrfez!!.. mawkef tany.. el yomen dool feh project m3rod 3ala el sherka 3awzen feh xml web services w security w load balancing w 7agat keda.. el mohem m7desh fel developers y3raf mo3zam el 7agat de.. fa 2alo 7'alas hanedy course lel nas 3lshan y3rfoh w y3mlo ay project b3d keda yegy matlob feh el 7agat de.. l7d now da keda gamel w 7elw.. bs bshart.. awlan mawa3ed el course kol yoom mn 6->10... b3d el sho3'l.. 3'er masmo7 leek enk t3'eb mn el sho3'l tb3an.. w kman matlob mnak enk lazem tegy mn el sa3a 8 el sob7 l7d el 5.. elly heya mawa3ed el sho3'l el 3adeya 7'ales w da 3lshan mt3tlshy el sho3'l.. ya3ny 3awzen elly ya7'od el course y3od mn 8am->10pm bara el beet kol yoom for 3 weeks... w kol da 3lshan homa 3ndhom project m7tag el course da.. msh m3na keda b2h enhom ysa3do el ragel elly haya7'od el course aw el nas elly hata7'od el course.. la2.. bytla3o 3eino 3ein elly gaboh 3lshan etgra2 w fakar eno hay3mel 7agat tsa3do w tsa3ed el sherka.. l2 w a kman.. elly haya7'od el course.. mynf3shy yseb el sho3'l abl 1 year... w ella haydfa3 taman el course.. w a kman?.. lw 3ndk sho3'l mad3'ot.. yb2a b3d el course... :D hatrga3 el sho3'l 3lshan t7'las sho3'lak... t7'ylo!!!!.. wallahy el 3azem ana msh babale3'... heya de f3ln el shorot elly 7atenha w 3awzen ymado kol elly haya7'od el course 3leha.. tb3an m7desh ba2a 3awez yro7 el course asl b3d keda.. 7'sosn eno mo2ref w m7desh tay2o w m7desh hayst7mel y3od fel sherka 1 year asln....

tool el w2t el estimations elly bydoha le ay project btb2a mazno2a gedannnnn gedannn gedannnn... tool el w2t d3'ten 3lek.. w msh msln lama teda7y w t3ml 7aga keda 3lshan 7'ater el sho3'l y2daro da... la2.. da bydoso 3lek aktar w aktr... m3tkdshy bsra7a eny hakamel fel sho3'l da kter be ezn Allah... n sha2 Allah ya3ny hasebo orayeb.. or should I wait l7d ma asafer b2h n sha2 Allah Microsoft?.. ento a r2yko?.. astana fel sho3'l da wana msh ty2o keda w ahe kolaha 5 months aw 7aga w keda keda hasebo n sha2 Allah 3lshan egra2at el safar?.. walla asebo w asht3'l fe 7eta tanya n sha2 Allah akon mstry7 feh 7ata lw msh hakamel feh 6 months?.. bgd m7tag r2yko... w n sha2 Allah I 'll tell u my decision .. bs b3d ma ashof ento a r2yko.. c u all soon n sha2 Allah.. w leave me ur posts & ur opinion...

14 comments:

Rain said...

Hi Hany,

I think the reason behind all this anger is being not appreciated , that's the key , I'm sure a person can definetely bear anything but this.

Seems that management here in Egypt as a whole needs dramatic change!

About ur decision , well ,first of all don't leave harf unless u find another place even if u don't like harf, cause i'm sure u won't like sitting at home doing nothing.
Plus , how will u guarantee that the place u'll go doesn't have disadvantages?? for example , i know someone who works for ITWorx , in the first month he was being treated like a king ,the whole env. was very relaxing and encourging , but now he hardly sleeps! he even works on firdays and saturdays, returns home around dawn , they work like hell ... so it's the case in all companies where they have deadlines to keep.

My opinion is , don't take any decision while u r angry , and the best thing to do is trying to adjust if u didn't find an alternative , it's only 5 months according to ur words and u'll be leaving them anyway...so try to enjoy it ba2a , it's only temporary .

Mohamed Meshref said...

Shof yabni, ana ha2olak shewayet kalam we haseb ra2yi fel a7'ir :D

Eli beye7sal ma3ak dah, hena beye7sal 3akso tamaman, hena ana ma7adesh da3'et 3alaya, bamshy wagy min 3'ir 7ata masta2zen min 7ad, 3ayesh 7ayaty wala ka2eni be betna.

El project management hena developers based, be ma3na enak lek Task X, design it, we 23melha kol 7aga from A to Z even suggest new features or suggest the removal of some features and see how much time it would take from you, then begin in it.

and even if you said it'll take let's say 10 hours, we 7asaletlak zerof fel nos, mesh bey2ololak eshta3'al ba2a 20 sa3a 3alashan te3awad wel habal dah, no, kamel 3ady 7'ales we law eshta3'alt el 20 sa3a dol hay2adarok gedan, bas at the same time law ma3amaltehomshy it's normal.

Hena bey3amlona be tare2a mesh momkena, ya3ni hadelak example, ta7'ayal keda en wa7ed we wa7da metgawezen ba2alhom 15 sana we haymoto yegebo 3ayel, fag2a geh, ta7'ayal ma3aya hay3amloh ezay?!!

It's the same way here, you're free to even choose your job, ana 2wel esbo3 leya hena shara7oli my position eih we 2aloli plss law mesh 3agbak 2olena 3alashan nezabat el donia tany!!!

Shof el 2adam, ya3ni even law fe3lan mesh 3agbany hatkesef 2a2ol keda, hena ana now lama ba7es eni mesh sha3'al batdaye2, 3alashan batkesef min enohom ye3amloni wala ka2eni ebnohom eli geh ba3d 15 sana wana makonshy ad deh, dah tab3an 3'ir el options wel kalam el tany eli kont 3amel post kamla 3aleh fel blog.

El manager masalan, mosta7el dah yekon manager, dah te2dar te2ol eno abok 2w a7'ok el keber, Mafesh nezam: "DO THIS", la2, kol 7aga mashya benezam: "WHAT IS YOUR OPINION IF YOU DO THIS?"

"AND I THINK IF YOU DID THIS, IT'LL BE BETTER FOR YOU"

Shayef el far2?

Beyesta2zenak abl mayedelak el task!!!
We yes2alak ra2yak eih feha!!!!

Begad el wad3' mosta7el hena, dah 3'ir tab3an el seka el 3ageba fe eni 2wel esbo3 hena kan 3andy 3al PC code el SQL Server kolo Yukon wel new version kaman

we mesh keda we bas, la2 we write access, ya3ni momken adamar el source el asli we al3ab feh wabahdel el donia.

We fo2 dah kolo, I can put it on the laptop (dah law el space 2adet aked) we a7'do el bet.


Mahman etkalemt 2w 2olt, Mayenfa3shy ashra7lak el far2, hena it's really a very very very new world, hena 3'asben 3anak hat7es bel wala2 lel sherka we hat7ebaha law 7ata enta min ashad 23da2ha.

Now dah Microsoft part eli isa mestanek, what about opinion ba2a?!


Ra2yi enak teseb el sherka we tero7 Critical Sites, sho3'lohom nedef, we feh 7'ebra lazeza we more7.


Bas :)

Mohamed Meshref said...

And for Rania, no it's not the case for all companies, hena fe MS it's really amazing, ya3ni 7ata fel deadlines, mafesh mawdo3 20 sa3a fel yom we sabt we 7ad wel habal dah, la2 dol optional, we lama te7darehom leki overtime el sa3a feh 1.5 mi nel sa3a el 3adeya la2 we kaman bonus we daragat zeyada we shehadat!!!

We fo2 dah kolo, you needn't be in campus to do it, momken te3meleh min betko wenty 3al serer, momken even tesafry masr 2 weeks we te3meleh min henak law mafesh 7aga mo3ayana zay meetings masalan (ma3 en 7ata deh feh hena video conferencing) testad3y wegodek fel campus

It's not all companies believe me :)

Mohamed Meshref said...

Ahhh, neset 7aga kaman, mawdo3 el courses dah, hena el courses deh betet7eseb min ur working time, be ma3na, this week masalan feh courses le modet 20 sa3a, yeb2a work 20 sa3a bas, ma3 en el system aslan mesh based 3al hours bas ana asdi 2wada7 en el courses deh hena work.

Mesh keda we bas, la2, law 7abet te3mel master or PhD masalan, law hata7'od fehom 5 senen, bardo ma7soben min el working hours, we fo2 dah kolo beyedfa3olak kaman aktar min nos el takalef beta3ethom.

3amrakshy shoft dala3 aktar min keda?!

Yasser Rihan said...

I'm very sad to hear what you are saying :(,I thought Harf is a better place than Sakhr it seems they are all going to the same ending. The main problem these companies have is that their administration is separate from their employees and the developers don't have opinion in what they do. So it's not a place for creative thoughts that's something I suffered from a lot in Sakhr.Anyways,Hany I think you would find problems and troubles anywhere but what I'd like to say if you get angry too much and many times then you must leave the company because it is not good for your health, and I suggest looking for anywhere else to work for there is a lot of places where you would gain a lot of experience and thank god :) you already have a primary job @ MS, I mean everything from now till you travel is temporary.BTW at Sakhr when I was that annoyed from my manager I used to stay at home for a couple of days and when he asks I tell him I have no reason to come to work as it wastes my time and I surely would be looking for another job.Anyways take care ya Hany rabena ma3ak :)

Rain said...

Hey Meshref,
I don't think i mentioned MS , or did i ?? :).
if u noticed i was talking about companies in Egypt.

Concerning what u said about management in MS , well it's a hell of a difference between local companies and international ones..why am i not surprised ?? :) , so that proves the point , it's all about management , but sometimes , when an international company has a branch in Egypt they somehow apply egyptian management standards!!

For u Hany , really wish u the best :).

Mohamed Meshref said...

They don't apply Egyptian way of management, but they get Egyptian managers, as it will be useless to make a branch here and bring the staff from outside Egypt

Anonymous said...

> Begad el wad3' mosta7el hena, dah 3'ir tab3an el seka el 3ageba fe eni 2wel esbo3 hena kan 3andy 3al PC code el SQL Server kolo Yukon wel new version kaman

> we mesh keda we bas, la2 we write access, ya3ni momken adamar el source el asli we al3ab feh wabahdel el donia.

Mmmmm.... And what about source depot?? You're talking as if no one can trace the changes and find out the one who messed with the code and kick his @$$. What you're saying is actually giving a bad image of our company :(

Mohamed Meshref said...

Iam not talking about tracing and such stuff, Iam talking about the amount of trust we've

An Insider said...

Dear Hany,
I read the comments of Rain and Mohammed. I agree with Rain and want to add that you have an advantage. Thank God you know you are going to another place. You are not waiting for the unknown like others. You can face all situations with this idea in your mind: "I am not staying here". But I do not like that you leave especially if you are going to stay home as Rain said. Do what you can in the company and do not push yourself coz the company will do that for you. Be calm and cool as much as you can.
I admire all what Muhammed said about his place but I worked in many places in Egypt and outside and the world is not always rosy. There must be a problem or an annoying thing. This is life, we are not in heaven. His company may be perfect except that nothing is perfect but some places can be better than others. The problems of some places can be related to managament which is Kartha and the problems in other places can be related to work itself which is good and allows you to learn. Yet, there will always be problems. Do you think I am very motasha2ma? No, I am realistic.
As an employee in the company, in fact I am in the room next to you, I see how SHE treats everyone and how THEY take personal decisions in the company. I am sorry to say Harf was once better than Sakhr but khalas.
Anyway, the usual advice: Do not leave a place unless you have another or you have been humiliated beyond repair.
May Allah help you, guide you to the best and I hope to see your little children.
Your Older Sister

Mohamed Meshref said...

One of the biggest problem ever in Egypt that managers do care soo much about the amount of time spent on things more than how much things you did!!!

You know something, when I was working in Egypt, and my manager comes and tells me: "hey, you have this job to finish it this week", I finish it in 4 or 5 hours and make chatting or visit web sites in the rest of the week.

Because I know that there's nothing else to be done, and also I can't go home because everything is about how much hours you spent not how much work you did.

The most perfect thing in the west, that even in places which is 100% based on hours, they put in mind the question of how much work you did, and in case they can't offer you things to do, they give you paid vacation, not asking you to come and do nothing like in Egypt.

More than this, many places (one of them is MS), the work is task based, which proves its efficiency, as for me if iam a manager, all what i care to finish task X in Y time, I don't care if the developer finished it in Y/2 time, ot Y-1, or work at night or at day, because as long as I'll get my work done in the time i want, then he's free to do it in whatever the way he likes.

And when we were going to do our own business, we were gonna work in the same way, no specific time interval for work and no such things, task based is the best

Mohamed Meshref said...

Ohhh, I forget another thing, taks based is great, but not the Egyptian Management version of: "Please you have the task of making Multi-threading/Multi-process based OS Kernel during the next week"

I don't mean a task which keep you busy 24/7 hours, I mean normal ones and normak timing also.

Ahmed said...

You forgot many things also about Harf. But anyway, i think all management in Egypt is still not matured enough.

Elmohem rabena yewafa2ak fe MS

we raya7 dema3'ak menhom :D

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